Emotions and facts
Quote from Binwaa on 13.03.2025, 22:03I have ridden 7.500 km between 9/2 and 10/3/25 in North, North East and central Thailand. I used scenic 4.11 up to 4.15. All my routes were planned at least the day before. All my routes have been tracked and saved.
Now first get rid of my emotions :Scenic became a catastrophe, unusable, making me stressed all the time. I missed many planned locations, which I did not visit due to Scenic. So sad.
And now the facts :
As I planned everything with waypoints (via and stops), I presume that I will pass or stop there. But while riding, Scenic is losing waypoints all the time. So you have to monitor this continuously or you will get somewhere else, up to a straight high way to the endpoint. The only way around was to stop the route, save the ride, start the route again, delete all the waypoint including the start point up to my actual location and start again. The result is that I have many ride files per day, every time I restarted.
Scenic is asking regularly if I want to skip or don’t skip a waypoint. The default is ‘skip’ which really should be ‘don’t skip’. You get a limited amount of time to hit the ‘don’t skip’ button, otherwise you lose the point. But when you succeeded to hit the ‘don’t skip’ button in time, Navigation stops definitively and the lady refuses to say anything anymore. Can be solved be restarting the route navigation again and delete all the waypoints you passed already.
You can imagine the number of times, I was busy with Scenic on my phone along the road. As IT-expert, I managed to get it done, but most users will abandon Scenic working like this.
There are some other annoying issues :
- I heard ‘too fast’ while riding more than 1000 times, just because Scenic thinks it is a max 30 while it is max 50. You can only solve this by stopping the navigation, change the settings to ‘shut up’ about speed, restart the route and delete all the waypoints points you passed already.
- ‘over 92 km, turn left’ : this was a long road in the mountains, with no side roads. I heard this message many, many times. During the 1:30 ride to that point, I was thinking about to turn to the right 🙁
- The next one can only be mentioned in Dutch : ‘recht door rijden om op te blijven’. Translated it means : ‘ride straight on to keep awake’. It really should have been ‘recht door rijden om op 3021 te blijven’, which is number of the road. But probably the road number is not available.- estimation of arrival time has an error of 40% at least. I start at 8:00 and scenic mentions 20:30. In reality it is 16:30 or sometimes even less. But that’s also influenced by the waypoints you are losing all the time .
- as estimation of arrival is mostly incorrect, I want to see the remaining kilometers instead. But it is written so small, that you need to stop to read it.
- the whole mechanism of saving routes is not according to Apple standards. The mechanism of saving and replacing should be automatic. Look at apps from Apple like ‘Pages’ and ‘Numbers’, there is no save or replace implemented. This should be redesigned.
- the system with layers is not updating when you empty the folder. Routes an roads still being displayed. You need to quit Scenic to get the screen refreshed.
I still had some more issues, but I did not write them down, as you can imagine, I preferred to give priority to enjoy the beautiful ride through Thailand. I count on you Guido to solve those major and some minor issues as this could be the end of Scenic, not necessarily for me but at least for many none IT users.
Benoit
I have ridden 7.500 km between 9/2 and 10/3/25 in North, North East and central Thailand. I used scenic 4.11 up to 4.15. All my routes were planned at least the day before. All my routes have been tracked and saved.
Now first get rid of my emotions :
Scenic became a catastrophe, unusable, making me stressed all the time. I missed many planned locations, which I did not visit due to Scenic. So sad.
And now the facts :
As I planned everything with waypoints (via and stops), I presume that I will pass or stop there. But while riding, Scenic is losing waypoints all the time. So you have to monitor this continuously or you will get somewhere else, up to a straight high way to the endpoint. The only way around was to stop the route, save the ride, start the route again, delete all the waypoint including the start point up to my actual location and start again. The result is that I have many ride files per day, every time I restarted.
Scenic is asking regularly if I want to skip or don’t skip a waypoint. The default is ‘skip’ which really should be ‘don’t skip’. You get a limited amount of time to hit the ‘don’t skip’ button, otherwise you lose the point. But when you succeeded to hit the ‘don’t skip’ button in time, Navigation stops definitively and the lady refuses to say anything anymore. Can be solved be restarting the route navigation again and delete all the waypoints you passed already.
You can imagine the number of times, I was busy with Scenic on my phone along the road. As IT-expert, I managed to get it done, but most users will abandon Scenic working like this.
There are some other annoying issues :
- I heard ‘too fast’ while riding more than 1000 times, just because Scenic thinks it is a max 30 while it is max 50. You can only solve this by stopping the navigation, change the settings to ‘shut up’ about speed, restart the route and delete all the waypoints points you passed already.
- ‘over 92 km, turn left’ : this was a long road in the mountains, with no side roads. I heard this message many, many times. During the 1:30 ride to that point, I was thinking about to turn to the right 🙁
- The next one can only be mentioned in Dutch : ‘recht door rijden om op te blijven’. Translated it means : ‘ride straight on to keep awake’. It really should have been ‘recht door rijden om op 3021 te blijven’, which is number of the road. But probably the road number is not available.
- estimation of arrival time has an error of 40% at least. I start at 8:00 and scenic mentions 20:30. In reality it is 16:30 or sometimes even less. But that’s also influenced by the waypoints you are losing all the time .
- as estimation of arrival is mostly incorrect, I want to see the remaining kilometers instead. But it is written so small, that you need to stop to read it.
- the whole mechanism of saving routes is not according to Apple standards. The mechanism of saving and replacing should be automatic. Look at apps from Apple like ‘Pages’ and ‘Numbers’, there is no save or replace implemented. This should be redesigned.
- the system with layers is not updating when you empty the folder. Routes an roads still being displayed. You need to quit Scenic to get the screen refreshed.
I still had some more issues, but I did not write them down, as you can imagine, I preferred to give priority to enjoy the beautiful ride through Thailand. I count on you Guido to solve those major and some minor issues as this could be the end of Scenic, not necessarily for me but at least for many none IT users.
Benoit
Quote from Karlchen on 13.03.2025, 22:31Hallo Beniot,
ich g HF abe eine Frage. Sind Sie mit oder Ohne CarPlay gefahren?
Beste Grüße
Karlchen
Hallo Beniot,
ich g HF abe eine Frage. Sind Sie mit oder Ohne CarPlay gefahren?
Beste Grüße
Karlchen
Quote from Karlchen on 14.03.2025, 00:53Ok, danke.
meine Erfahrung sagt, dass mit CarPlay vieles nicht und ohne CarPlay soweit alles funktioniert wie es sein soll.
Ok, danke.
meine Erfahrung sagt, dass mit CarPlay vieles nicht und ohne CarPlay soweit alles funktioniert wie es sein soll.
Quote from Binwaa on 14.03.2025, 01:04Quote from Karlchen on 14.03.2025, 00:53Ok, danke.
meine Erfahrung sagt, dass mit CarPlay vieles nicht und ohne CarPlay soweit alles funktioniert wie es sein soll.
Gentleman, I am speaking Dutch and I make an effort to write my post in English. As there is no translate button in this forum, please, out of respect, write your messages in English. Google translate will surely help you to translate your message before posting. Thx.
Quote from Karlchen on 14.03.2025, 00:53Ok, danke.
meine Erfahrung sagt, dass mit CarPlay vieles nicht und ohne CarPlay soweit alles funktioniert wie es sein soll.
Gentleman, I am speaking Dutch and I make an effort to write my post in English. As there is no translate button in this forum, please, out of respect, write your messages in English. Google translate will surely help you to translate your message before posting. Thx.
Quote from Karlchen on 14.03.2025, 02:47Hello,
I use Google Chrome.
It automatically translates every language into my native language.I find it very useful, especially here in the forum.
Best regards
Hello,
I use Google Chrome.
It automatically translates every language into my native language.
I find it very useful, especially here in the forum.
Best regards
Quote from Ricardo Costa on 14.03.2025, 04:12I also just gona keep the app until the renovation ends, unfortonatly half a year as passed sinve de V3 app and i dont trust this app to make any kind of travel.
I really hope Guido get to fix all this problems, I've allready bought another pay app to drive without worries.
I also just gona keep the app until the renovation ends, unfortonatly half a year as passed sinve de V3 app and i dont trust this app to make any kind of travel.
I really hope Guido get to fix all this problems, I've allready bought another pay app to drive without worries.
Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 06:27Hi Benoit,
while riding, Scenic is losing waypoints all the time
That is “as designed” when you turn on the auto-skip waypoint option. You can change the number of recalculations before a via point is skipped, or turn it off altogether. Settings > Nav & Tracking > Detour Behaviour.
You get a limited amount of time to hit the ‘don’t skip’ button
You can increase this time. Settings > Nav & Tracking > Menu auto close time.
The idea is to decrease the number of button taps. Scenic assumes you want to skip the via point more often than not skip it. After Al, these were the settings you chose. That’s why it defaults (when the timer ends) to skip the via point.
when you succeeded to hit the ‘don’t skip’ button in time, Navigation stops definitively and the lady refuses to say anything anymore
That sounds like a bug. I’ll have a look.
I heard ‘too fast’ while riding more than 1000 times, just because Scenic thinks it is a max 30 while it is max 50.
I can decrease the frequency (it’s now every 30 seconds if I remember correctly). But the real solution is of course to correct the speed limit: https://scenic.app/help/reporting-map-errors/
You can only solve this by stopping the navigation, change the settings to ‘shut up’ about speed, restart the route and delete all the waypoints points you passed already.
- I’m planning to make more settings available from the navigation menu. Will take a while though.
- There is a faster way to restart a route in the middle: https://scenic.app/forum/topic/begin-at-a-certain-waypoint-stop/#postid-11477
over 92 km, turn left’ : this was a long road in the mountains, with no side roads. I heard this message many, many times
That’s strange. It should only say that max 4 times. Perhaps the route was recalculated a few times due to inaccuracies in GPS position in the mountains? Did you hear the route recalculation sound too? And were the mentioned distances rounded to 80km / 70 km etc?
recht door rijden om op te blijven
I’m Dutch too so I understand. That is either a mistake in the map data or the routing engine. I’m curious if it would mention the route name or road number when English is selected as language. Did you notice this one time, or was this structurally?
estimation of arrival time
Known problem. I’m working with the map provider on a solution.
the whole mechanism of saving routes
Sorry. Don’t agree with that one.
layers is not updating when you empty the folder
Yes. Known bug. It’s on the list to fix. Meanwhile you don’t have to restart. Just open the layers panel again, and tap the “refresh/reload” button top left.
Hi Benoit,
while riding, Scenic is losing waypoints all the time
That is “as designed” when you turn on the auto-skip waypoint option. You can change the number of recalculations before a via point is skipped, or turn it off altogether. Settings > Nav & Tracking > Detour Behaviour.
You get a limited amount of time to hit the ‘don’t skip’ button
You can increase this time. Settings > Nav & Tracking > Menu auto close time.
The idea is to decrease the number of button taps. Scenic assumes you want to skip the via point more often than not skip it. After Al, these were the settings you chose. That’s why it defaults (when the timer ends) to skip the via point.
when you succeeded to hit the ‘don’t skip’ button in time, Navigation stops definitively and the lady refuses to say anything anymore
That sounds like a bug. I’ll have a look.
I heard ‘too fast’ while riding more than 1000 times, just because Scenic thinks it is a max 30 while it is max 50.
I can decrease the frequency (it’s now every 30 seconds if I remember correctly). But the real solution is of course to correct the speed limit: https://scenic.app/help/reporting-map-errors/
You can only solve this by stopping the navigation, change the settings to ‘shut up’ about speed, restart the route and delete all the waypoints points you passed already.
- I’m planning to make more settings available from the navigation menu. Will take a while though.
- There is a faster way to restart a route in the middle: https://scenic.app/forum/topic/begin-at-a-certain-waypoint-stop/#postid-11477
over 92 km, turn left’ : this was a long road in the mountains, with no side roads. I heard this message many, many times
That’s strange. It should only say that max 4 times. Perhaps the route was recalculated a few times due to inaccuracies in GPS position in the mountains? Did you hear the route recalculation sound too? And were the mentioned distances rounded to 80km / 70 km etc?
recht door rijden om op te blijven
I’m Dutch too so I understand. That is either a mistake in the map data or the routing engine. I’m curious if it would mention the route name or road number when English is selected as language. Did you notice this one time, or was this structurally?
estimation of arrival time
Known problem. I’m working with the map provider on a solution.
the whole mechanism of saving routes
Sorry. Don’t agree with that one.
layers is not updating when you empty the folder
Yes. Known bug. It’s on the list to fix. Meanwhile you don’t have to restart. Just open the layers panel again, and tap the “refresh/reload” button top left.
Quote from Karlchen on 14.03.2025, 08:14Hallo Guido,
obwohl ich CarPlay im iPhone ausgeschaltet habe, hat sich gestern und heute Scenic mit meinen Radio im Skoda caroq verbunden. Dabei beide Male das fortsetzen der Tour gelöscht. Jetzt fang ich auch an zu verzweifeln.
Die Saison steht vor dem Start
Hallo Guido,
obwohl ich CarPlay im iPhone ausgeschaltet habe, hat sich gestern und heute Scenic mit meinen Radio im Skoda caroq verbunden. Dabei beide Male das fortsetzen der Tour gelöscht. Jetzt fang ich auch an zu verzweifeln.
Die Saison steht vor dem Start
Quote from Karlchen on 14.03.2025, 08:18Das soll bedeuten, dass ich nur Scenic in CarPlay ausgeschaltet habe.
DieVerbindung ist per Kabel
Das soll bedeuten, dass ich nur Scenic in CarPlay ausgeschaltet habe.
DieVerbindung ist per Kabel
Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 09:18I don't know how that is possible. If you turned off Scenic in CarPlay then it can't show up on CarPlay. This is out of my control and is arranged by iOS and CarPlay. Please note that these settings to disable an app on CarPlay, is per CarPlay system. If you disable Scenic for one CarPlay system, it will still show on another CarPlay system.
I don't know how that is possible. If you turned off Scenic in CarPlay then it can't show up on CarPlay. This is out of my control and is arranged by iOS and CarPlay. Please note that these settings to disable an app on CarPlay, is per CarPlay system. If you disable Scenic for one CarPlay system, it will still show on another CarPlay system.
Quote from Karlchen on 14.03.2025, 09:47Ich habe 2 Carplay Systeme. 1. im Skoda Caroq. 2. In meiner Harley. beide sind ausgeschaltet. Auf der Harley (Radio Soundstream V2) habe ich das noch nicht getestet.
Ich verstehe es auch nicht. Ich verbinde das iPhone wenn das Radio an ist und auf dem Bildschirm ist Scenic. Ich schalte es weg und es bleibt weg. Aber auch die Tour, die ich fortführen möchte, und das auch auf dem iPhone.
Ich habe 2 Carplay Systeme. 1. im Skoda Caroq. 2. In meiner Harley. beide sind ausgeschaltet. Auf der Harley (Radio Soundstream V2) habe ich das noch nicht getestet.
Ich verstehe es auch nicht. Ich verbinde das iPhone wenn das Radio an ist und auf dem Bildschirm ist Scenic. Ich schalte es weg und es bleibt weg. Aber auch die Tour, die ich fortführen möchte, und das auch auf dem iPhone.
Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 09:56That is very strange. When Scenic appears on CarPlay, even though it's been disabled, this is unexpected (and untested) behaviour, which can cause unexpected things with your ride recording.
I just tried it here and I can not reproduce this.
Perhaps your CarPlay system is remembering some earlier setting? Can you switch to another navigation app (Maps, Google Maps, Waze) and make sure that app icon is in the CarPlay toolbar when you disconnect from CarPlay. Then try to reconnect and see if Scenic appears again.
And you are sure that the Scenic icon is not on your CarPlay screen?
That is very strange. When Scenic appears on CarPlay, even though it's been disabled, this is unexpected (and untested) behaviour, which can cause unexpected things with your ride recording.
I just tried it here and I can not reproduce this.
Perhaps your CarPlay system is remembering some earlier setting? Can you switch to another navigation app (Maps, Google Maps, Waze) and make sure that app icon is in the CarPlay toolbar when you disconnect from CarPlay. Then try to reconnect and see if Scenic appears again.
And you are sure that the Scenic icon is not on your CarPlay screen?
Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 10:06@binwaa, regarding the navigation stopping when you tapped the "don't skip" button.... was it only the voice instructions that stopped, or also no more instructions on screen? Was the route itself still on the map?
@binwaa, regarding the navigation stopping when you tapped the "don't skip" button.... was it only the voice instructions that stopped, or also no more instructions on screen? Was the route itself still on the map?
Quote from HDFatboy on 14.03.2025, 10:43Quote from Ricardo Costa on 14.03.2025, 04:12I also just gona keep the app until the renovation ends, unfortonatly half a year as passed sinve de V3 app and i dont trust this app to make any kind of travel.
I really hope Guido get to fix all this problems, I've allready bought another pay app to drive without worries.
What is the other pay app that you have bought?
Quote from Ricardo Costa on 14.03.2025, 04:12I also just gona keep the app until the renovation ends, unfortonatly half a year as passed sinve de V3 app and i dont trust this app to make any kind of travel.
I really hope Guido get to fix all this problems, I've allready bought another pay app to drive without worries.
What is the other pay app that you have bought?
Quote from Karlchen on 14.03.2025, 12:24Hallo Guido,
sobald ich auf Google Maps gehe ist Scenic in CarPlay aus. Bis ich dann das iPhone neu verbinde.
meine Hoffnung ist, das diese Sache ihnen hilft
Hallo Guido,
sobald ich auf Google Maps gehe ist Scenic in CarPlay aus. Bis ich dann das iPhone neu verbinde.
meine Hoffnung ist, das diese Sache ihnen hilft
Quote from Binwaa on 14.03.2025, 23:57Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 06:27
over 92 km, turn left’ : this was a long road in the mountains, with no side roads. I heard this message many, many times
That’s strange. It should only say that max 4 times. Perhaps the route was recalculated a few times due to inaccuracies in GPS position in the mountains? Did you hear the route recalculation sound too? And were the mentioned distances rounded to 80km / 70 km etc?
probably more than 4 times as I needed to restart regularly, and also on the way back as this village has only one road to access it.
But anyway, 90 km on forehand to tell me to turn left, is really too early. No message about turning left or right should be done within 5km, or even better 2km. Don’t forget, I also need to ride and take care about traffic, security and enjoying the ride 😉
recht door rijden om op te blijven
I’m Dutch too so I understand. That is either a mistake in the map data or the routing engine. I’m curious if it would mention the route name or road number when English is selected as language. Did you notice this one time, or was this structurally?
this was structural. I was singing a song to the lady ‘sweetheart, I woke up already…’ every time.
Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 06:27
over 92 km, turn left’ : this was a long road in the mountains, with no side roads. I heard this message many, many times
That’s strange. It should only say that max 4 times. Perhaps the route was recalculated a few times due to inaccuracies in GPS position in the mountains? Did you hear the route recalculation sound too? And were the mentioned distances rounded to 80km / 70 km etc?
probably more than 4 times as I needed to restart regularly, and also on the way back as this village has only one road to access it.
But anyway, 90 km on forehand to tell me to turn left, is really too early. No message about turning left or right should be done within 5km, or even better 2km. Don’t forget, I also need to ride and take care about traffic, security and enjoying the ride 😉
recht door rijden om op te blijven
I’m Dutch too so I understand. That is either a mistake in the map data or the routing engine. I’m curious if it would mention the route name or road number when English is selected as language. Did you notice this one time, or was this structurally?
this was structural. I was singing a song to the lady ‘sweetheart, I woke up already…’ every time.
Quote from Karlchen on 15.03.2025, 02:26Hallo Guido,
Sobald ich auf Google Maps gehe, ist Scenic in CarPlay aus. Bis ich dann das iPhone neu verbinde.
Meine Hoffnung ist, dass diese Sache ihnen hilft
Hallo Guido,
Ich habe den Grund entdeckt und auch beseitigen können.
Es liegt an den Kurzbefehlen, wenn sich das iPhone mit CarPlay verbindet, um Scenic zu öffnen.
Ich habe den Befehl aus geschaltet. Dann geht es nicht mehr an.
tut mir leid
Hallo Guido,
Sobald ich auf Google Maps gehe, ist Scenic in CarPlay aus. Bis ich dann das iPhone neu verbinde.
Meine Hoffnung ist, dass diese Sache ihnen hilft
Hallo Guido,
Ich habe den Grund entdeckt und auch beseitigen können.
Es liegt an den Kurzbefehlen, wenn sich das iPhone mit CarPlay verbindet, um Scenic zu öffnen.
Ich habe den Befehl aus geschaltet. Dann geht es nicht mehr an.
tut mir leid
Quote from Guido on 15.03.2025, 06:51@binwaa
Normally, without recalculations and restarts, Scenic can give max 5 warnings for a turn. 1 warning immediately after you turn onto the highway or long road. Then it can say something like “in x distance turn right”. This is handy because when this distance is long you know you can relax a little bit and pay less attention to the screen, more to the road. And then there can be 4 more, but you can disable those in Settings > Sound & Voice Instructions > Voice instruction frequency.
Normally, without recalculations and restarts, Scenic can give max 5 warnings for a turn. 1 warning immediately after you turn onto the highway or long road. Then it can say something like “in x distance turn right”. This is handy because when this distance is long you know you can relax a little bit and pay less attention to the screen, more to the road. And then there can be 4 more, but you can disable those in Settings > Sound & Voice Instructions > Voice instruction frequency.
