Wierd Behaviour on Attempting to Skip Stop

#1 · 17.07.2025, 10:17

Quote from Aging Bull on 17.07.2025, 10:17
Navigating around the Stelvio and Umbrial passes today using Scenic. Part of a 10-day trip planned using Furkot and individual days imported into Scenic. As from my other threads, you can see I've had some issues.

Today was a bit of a nightmare. While riding and sure that I was on the route it was directing me back. After some time I realised it was because of a fuel stop from Furkot. It should have been as simple as skip the stop and on we go... but it turned into a complete nightmare and I spent more time on the side of the road squinting at my phone and my carplay. It wouldn't let me skip the waypoint because I was not on the route. I have attached a photo of me being not on the route... I was just pulled over onto the side of the road. This was very frustrating. What could I have done here?

Then I tried going into overview on the phone to try and edit the route and delete the waypoint... this lead to all kinds of buggy behaviour. Map getting stuck even though I was sure I was not in edit mode in the phone. Again I had the issue of locked in north is up mode. No amount of toggling the setting on my phone or on my car play would revert it to map rotates mode.

Then it got stuck trying to calculate the route because I had a weak wifi connection. Then I lost the route entirely. I tried opening it up again but I had a weak network connection and that didn't work. So on I rode and eventually was able to get the route opened up again... however, the "go to route" thing doesn't work correctly, I'm sure. I was right on the route but it was still showing the complete route in overview... my understanding is that it should see where you are and skip to that point. But I've tried this a couple of times now and it doesn't work.

So for the third day in a row, I had to open Google maps to get me home.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding negative but if I'm having this experience I imagine others must be too? My experience is that if you just ride the planned route and make no changes, it's ok. But, if you have to make any changes, things may or may not go well. Being able to open your route and rejoin in the middle if all else fails should work, but it doesn't, so if you lose your route half way through you're pretty goosed. I think these are the things going on that are problematic:

- Not being able to delete a waypoint because you are "not on route" even though you are (or very close)

- "Go to route" when in the middle of a ride doesn't work

- Opening Scenic overview on Phone seems to be VERY risky and buggy

- Doing anything when the internet connection is weak or missing is VERY risky

My only conculsion is that I should eliminate all fuel stops and just plan them on the go and avoid at all costs trying to do anything with the route in the middle of a ride.

Pictures:

Not on route (yes I am!)

2. Locked in North is Up... very unpleasant

3. Go to route hasn't worked... it's showing there and back... which way to go?

Navigating around the Stelvio and Umbrial passes today using Scenic. Part of a 10-day trip planned using Furkot and individual days imported into Scenic. As from my other threads, you can see I've had some issues.

Today was a bit of a nightmare. While riding and sure that I was on the route it was directing me back. After some time I realised it was because of a fuel stop from Furkot. It should have been as simple as skip the stop and on we go... but it turned into a complete nightmare and I spent more time on the side of the road squinting at my phone and my carplay. It wouldn't let me skip the waypoint because I was not on the route. I have attached a photo of me being not on the route... I was just pulled over onto the side of the road. This was very frustrating. What could I have done here?

Then I tried going into overview on the phone to try and edit the route and delete the waypoint... this lead to all kinds of buggy behaviour. Map getting stuck even though I was sure I was not in edit mode in the phone. Again I had the issue of locked in north is up mode. No amount of toggling the setting on my phone or on my car play would revert it to map rotates mode.

Then it got stuck trying to calculate the route because I had a weak wifi connection. Then I lost the route entirely. I tried opening it up again but I had a weak network connection and that didn't work. So on I rode and eventually was able to get the route opened up again... however, the "go to route" thing doesn't work correctly, I'm sure. I was right on the route but it was still showing the complete route in overview... my understanding is that it should see where you are and skip to that point. But I've tried this a couple of times now and it doesn't work.

So for the third day in a row, I had to open Google maps to get me home.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding negative but if I'm having this experience I imagine others must be too? My experience is that if you just ride the planned route and make no changes, it's ok. But, if you have to make any changes, things may or may not go well. Being able to open your route and rejoin in the middle if all else fails should work, but it doesn't, so if you lose your route half way through you're pretty goosed. I think these are the things going on that are problematic:

- Not being able to delete a waypoint because you are "not on route" even though you are (or very close)

- "Go to route" when in the middle of a ride doesn't work

- Opening Scenic overview on Phone seems to be VERY risky and buggy

- Doing anything when the internet connection is weak or missing is VERY risky

My only conculsion is that I should eliminate all fuel stops and just plan them on the go and avoid at all costs trying to do anything with the route in the middle of a ride.

Pictures:

Not on route (yes I am!)

2. Locked in North is Up... very unpleasant

3. Go to route hasn't worked... it's showing there and back... which way to go?

#2 · 17.07.2025, 13:36

Quote from MjK on 17.07.2025, 13:36
Hi @aging-bull pretty strange I must admit.

i just returned from a 13 day tour along the Route des Grandes Alpes and did not face such hefty issues - feeling sorry if your day went so wrong!

just some observations I had

- if your bike is off the road, like on picture 1, as the location comes from your phone .. did you check, but I’m 100% sure that Google Maps came back with the same false location? Alternatively use GPS Info https://apps.apple.com/de/app/gps-info/id1485889074 to verify GPS reception quality!

so I can copy that myself from the experience in the French alps in Haute-Savoie, my iPhone 15 pro max struggled quite often with mobile connectivity as well as proper GPS reception. It does not do this on normal roads outside high mountains like Stelvio or Iseran. Currently I am assuming it’s the way how I mounted my iPhone and may not have the best position for receiving a good amount of satellites.
scenic in consequence does what we would expect from a navigation system, it tries to bring you back from your false indicated position onto the route. Firing up Google or Apple Maps does not show you the same issue, as they have no existing track, you just give them a destination.. scenic would exactly do the same as they, but is stuck with the track given.

right now I am experimenting with an external Bluetooth GPS receiver (an older GNS 2000) and since I have not experienced those “off track” situations anymore.

dont get me wrong, I don’t want to say it’s not a scenic issue, but just want to share some experience in similar situation

- you mention you did not have a good WiFi reception? Are you referring to a connectivity issue with your CarPlay display, as they are the ones connected by WiFi during the ride? If it’s a carpuride dosplay, they have an article on their website about those kind of connectivity issues.

- on another picture you have just Edge mobile connectivity, did you have offline maps installed, as it sounds from your text, that this kind of connectivity caused even more stress? Shouldn’t be an routing problem, when using up2date offline maps.

- your stuck in north up and overview mode, locks very strong to edit mode on iPhone is still active, while switching to CarPlay

Just some thoughts, hope it gets better on your tour, Markus

Hi @aging-bull pretty strange I must admit.

i just returned from a 13 day tour along the Route des Grandes Alpes and did not face such hefty issues - feeling sorry if your day went so wrong!

just some observations I had

- if your bike is off the road, like on picture 1, as the location comes from your phone .. did you check, but I’m 100% sure that Google Maps came back with the same false location? Alternatively use GPS Info https://apps.apple.com/de/app/gps-info/id1485889074 to verify GPS reception quality!

so I can copy that myself from the experience in the French alps in Haute-Savoie, my iPhone 15 pro max struggled quite often with mobile connectivity as well as proper GPS reception. It does not do this on normal roads outside high mountains like Stelvio or Iseran. Currently I am assuming it’s the way how I mounted my iPhone and may not have the best position for receiving a good amount of satellites.
scenic in consequence does what we would expect from a navigation system, it tries to bring you back from your false indicated position onto the route. Firing up Google or Apple Maps does not show you the same issue, as they have no existing track, you just give them a destination.. scenic would exactly do the same as they, but is stuck with the track given.

right now I am experimenting with an external Bluetooth GPS receiver (an older GNS 2000) and since I have not experienced those “off track” situations anymore.

dont get me wrong, I don’t want to say it’s not a scenic issue, but just want to share some experience in similar situation

- you mention you did not have a good WiFi reception? Are you referring to a connectivity issue with your CarPlay display, as they are the ones connected by WiFi during the ride? If it’s a carpuride dosplay, they have an article on their website about those kind of connectivity issues.

- on another picture you have just Edge mobile connectivity, did you have offline maps installed, as it sounds from your text, that this kind of connectivity caused even more stress? Shouldn’t be an routing problem, when using up2date offline maps.

- your stuck in north up and overview mode, locks very strong to edit mode on iPhone is still active, while switching to CarPlay

Just some thoughts, hope it gets better on your tour, Markus

#3 · 17.07.2025, 14:37

I have no issues whatsoever using Google maps so either Google maps is better at dealing with a weak signal, or these are Scenic issues... either way... I feel like it should be possible for Scenic. I'm using an iPhone 16. Most of the time Scenic is working ok.. it's just when I need to modify a route on the road where it falls apart, in my experience.

#4 · 18.07.2025, 00:40

Hi @aging-bull,

Im very sorry that this is affecting your trip. I don’t have a quick solution for you at this moment.

I’ll respond in detail later today, but there are some setting that might increase reliability:

1) turn off “extrapolate position” (Settings > Finetuning)

2) increase the threshold distance to 45 or 50 (Settings > Finetuning > Route recalculation parameters)

Both of these can help in decrease the chance of thinking you are not on the route while you actually are.

Also… when you approach a waypoint, if the situation safely allows, try to see if Scenic marks it as “reached” (it will turn gray). If it doesn’t try to skip it as soon as possible.

Best regards,

Guido

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#5 · 18.07.2025, 13:20

Thanks Guido!

I'm happy to say that today Scenic worked flawlessly and I actually needed to skip ways points and delete them using my phone and it all worked. I think what happened yesterday was an unfortunate combination of incidents. This is what I think happened:

I needed to skip a refuelling waypoint that I didn't need. It wouldn't allow me because it didn't think I was on the route. I think this may have been because my phone was in my pocket when usually I have it in my tank bag. But your fine tuning parameters should help.
I continued and then when I had the chance again, I tried to delete / skip the waypoint but the data connection was weak and Scenic failed to calculate a route - now I was stuck... I eventually lost the route. This is a problem if you do anything that forces a route recalculation when there is no data connection, you're goosed. Is there any way to make this more robust?

Thanks again for the tips and support

#6 · 18.07.2025, 13:31

Quote from Aging Bull on 18.07.2025, 13:20

. This is a problem if you do anything that forces a route recalculation when there is no data connection, you're goosed. Is there any way to make this more robust?

Download offline maps. Scenic uses them in preference to online maps. I’ve done thousands of miles with no connection at all.

#7 · 19.07.2025, 11:00

Thanks for the suggestion @dae. I must try that.