Quote from Guido on 01.06.2025, 10:08

This is a bug. Well... kind of. Kurviger calls, what Scenic calls Stops, Kurviger calls vias. And they mark stops as vias in their GPX.
I'll try to address that in the next update.

Meanwhile, what you could do, is open the GPX file in a text editor and replace <type>via</type> with <type>stop</type>

Quote from GruenesZimmerhuhn on 01.06.2025, 10:30

Hey Guido,

 

this workaround would be fine for me, as it save a lot of time. To add the stops manually to the route costs me at least 20 minutes. Unfortunately it does not work, did I am something wrong? There are still a lot of vias in the scenic waypoint list, but not where the stops should be and all are only named "via"

Quote from Karlchen on 01.06.2025, 10:32

Ich erstelle auch mit Kurviger keine Touren. Diese öffne ich dann mit Scenic über die ICloud.

Dann werde ich in Scenic immer gefragt, ob ich mit Stopps oder Wegepunkten öffnen will.

Das klappt wunderbar.

 

In der Regel öffne ich die Tracks und speichere dann als Route. In der Bearbeitung kann man schnell die Zwischenziele als Wegepunkte setzen.

 

Quote from Guido on 01.06.2025, 10:43

There are some more bugs. I'm looking into it.

 

Quote from Guido on 01.06.2025, 10:57

Shaping points in Kurviger can have names. These become vias in Scenic, but vias in Scenic can not have names. If you want them to have names, you have to transform the shaping points in Kurviger (the black markers) to vias (blue marker)

Quote from GruenesZimmerhuhn on 01.06.2025, 11:08

Hey Guido, hallo Karlchen,

after the post of Karlchen I tried it again and see the option in kurviger to export the route also as "route" and not only as "track". Once I rename the "vias" into "stops" in the route node as you mentioned and not in the waypoints, the import works directly as expected.

The only strange thing is, the displayed route is fine, the displayed track (blue doted line) is from the last import. But I am not sure, if this is a bug from scenic or if the track in the file is wrong from kurviger. So I cannot check, if the newly calculated route from scenic fits exactly my planning. In the previous imports I can see some little diffences. Workaround from my side, first import the track (track and route in the same export file), cancel it and then import the route, then you will see the track and the route and can check them.

A further little bug: Once importing the route, scenic takes also the kurviger shaping points as stops.

 

Finally a workaround I can live for the moment 🙂 In four days we start our trip to scotland.

 

Greetings and thanks Frank

Quote from Guido on 01.06.2025, 11:24

Great. Do the waypoints have the correct name / same as in Kurviger (or do they have the name of the previous waypoint.... I thought I saw that bug, but not 100% sure?)

The fact that even shaping points become a stop in Scenic is a bug I need to fix.

Quote from Karlchen on 01.06.2025, 11:33

Bei mir war das bis jetzt immer so, dass wenn ich bei Kurviger Shaping - Point's setze und dann als Track speichere, waren das immer bei Scenic keine Via's, sondern Zwischenziele. Das hat mich aber nie gestört, weil man ja in Scenic alle Zwischenziele in Via's ändern kann.

Tracks ziehe ich vor, weil ich glaube, dass dann in Scenic die Tour besser passt. In Scenic speichere ich aber nach Überprüfung dann als Route, weil da fahre ich lieber.

Ich hoffe, ich konnte ein bisschen helfen.

 

Beste Grüße

Karlchen

 

 

 

 

Quote from GruenesZimmerhuhn on 01.06.2025, 11:36

Hey Guido,

I have tested this for you now, as I do not name kurviger shapingpoints, as I used them only to "shape" the route. But yes indeed, the kurviger name for shaping points will be imported and displayed by scenic. Why not, if someone uses this feature, fine.

Greetings Frank

Quote from BDW101_scenic on 19.08.2025, 12:35

Hi.  New to the forum and found this thread that matches the issue I'm facing.  I am importing a route in gpx format and in the import queue of the Scenic app (on iOS) the route is separated from the waypoints (as seen in the pic pasted below).  Also, the route, once imported, is not accurate and only displays 3 waypoints (within 900 ft of eachother) rather than what should be about 12 stops / waypoints.  If this is a known bug, what's the timing to fix and then what's the temporary workaround?  Thanks.

 

Quote from Guido on 19.08.2025, 12:51

This is not a bug in Scenic. It depends on how the imported GPX is generated.

Waypoints in a GPX are loose points. There is no order and GPX does not tell where in the route the waypoint should go.

A route can have stops and via points (shaping points). These should be formatted in a certain way for Scenic to be able to recognise them.

Here is a bit more info if you like: https://scenic.app/help/routes-vs-tracks-and-save-blue-line-as-track-during-import/

Quote from BDW101_scenic on 19.08.2025, 13:15

Thanks for the fast response.  What is the "certain way" the shaping points should be formatted for Scenic to recognize them?  I can ask my colleague who created the route in Rever and exported to gpx to do it different depending on your advice.  I reviewed the link you shared but don't see the relevance to what I'm experiencing.  The route I'm importing isn't remotely close to the created route provided to me in the gpx file.  Only the starting point matches.  The route in the gpx covers 130 miles.  The imported route covers 900 feet.

Quote from Guido on 19.08.2025, 13:26

It sounds like Rever is only exporting the stops in the route as route points. Scenic then needs to find a route between those points. I don't know the exporting options of Rever.

There are two options your friend can try:
(1) Add more stops to the route in Rever (and then hope that Rever exports these stops into the route)
(2) If Rever has the option to export the route as a TRACK that would be best. In that case, Scenic will calculate the same route. You will have to add your stops manually to the route in that case.

Some background info is in the link I provided. To add to this.... even though GPX is a standardized format, it does not mean that a route exported from one application will be exactly the same as a route in the other application. There are ways to get close (by adding more stops), but even that does not give guarantees. As mentioned in the link, a route is a list of key points. It's up to the routing algorithm to decide which roads to take to get from one key point to the next. Rever and Scenic do not use the same map data and the same routing algorithm, so the roads they take between key points can become different.

Quote from Maneno on 20.08.2025, 10:50

Quote from GruenesZimmerhuhn on 01.06.2025, 10:30

Hey Guido,

 

this workaround would be fine for me, as it save a lot of time. To add the stops manually to the route costs me at least 20 minutes. Unfortunately it does not work, did I am something wrong? There are still a lot of vias in the scenic waypoint list, but not where the stops should be and all are only named "via"

Hello @grueneszimmerhuhn

I hope your trip to Scotland was fantastic.

Just a quick question: what is the software you use to edit the GPX files? I'm doing it manually what makes the job quite difficult with big files.

Thanks

 

Quote from DRTBYK on 20.08.2025, 11:54

You didn't ask me, but, an App I've used for years to edit very-large GPX files is Textastic Code Editor https://apps.apple.com/us/app/textastic-code-editor/id1049254261

It's not free but I think it's worth it.

Cheers,

 

Quote from GruenesZimmerhuhn on 20.08.2025, 12:19

Hey Drtbyk,

as my trips do not have too much stop points (max. 5-10 per daytrip) it is ok for me to do it manualy. I used the Microsoft XML Notepad, it is free and perfect for me (do this on pc and not on the mobile, mobiles are not designed for such work)

Greetings Frank

Scotland was perfect 😁

Quote from DRTBYK on 20.08.2025, 15:09

Great that XML Notepad works for you.

I haven't used a Windows devices for over 20yrs. I am often on the road somewhere in the world and found Laptops (Win or Mac) to be limiting.  For the past ten years I've been using an iPadPro to edit GPX, XML, HTML, Java, Swift and a few other coding languages in support of a couple of websites. Not to mention Trip Planning updates/changes which I share with clients and travel partners. My point to this is that "mobile" is not just limited to cellular phones.

Quote from BDW101_scenic on 21.08.2025, 07:42

Hi Guido and others interested,

To close this item, I'm circling back to confirm that your proposed option #2, to see if Rever has the option to export the route as a TRACK worked.  Importing to Scenic now shows the full route as expected.  Thanks for the help and to the others in this thread for your recommendations.