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Quote from bohemio on 06.12.2021, 09:54I designed a loop route with two halves, going south to a state park in the next town south, the other half coming back home via a different way.
well, today I find myself in the town south of me, and I just want to use my go south route to go up, pick it up at my nearest point, reverse the route, and navigate north to go back home, how do I do that?
How to intercept hijack the route half way through it, and follow it from there in reverse order ?
I designed a loop route with two halves, going south to a state park in the next town south, the other half coming back home via a different way.
well, today I find myself in the town south of me, and I just want to use my go south route to go up, pick it up at my nearest point, reverse the route, and navigate north to go back home, how do I do that?
How to intercept hijack the route half way through it, and follow it from there in reverse order ?
Quote from Guido on 06.12.2021, 10:07OK. So there are two things here:
- You want to pick up the route somewhere halfway. That's easy. Simply select the route through the 'where to' button, but then before you tap 'Start Navigation' tap the 'Join route at' option just above it. There you can select where/how you want to join the route. For example, you can select there "I'll find my own way". That will let you find your way to the route by yourself, and once you reach it, navigation will start from the 'join' point towards the destination (in the direction you originally designed the route).
- But, If, I understand correct, you now want to follow the route in reverse direction. In that case, you need to reverse the route first: Go to the routes screen, select the route, and choose 'Edit Points'. You'll end up in the 'power planner'. At the bottom, there's a 'reverse' button.
Why is this so complicated you might think? Well... reversing a route is not as easy as simply visits the points in reverse order. Think about one way streets, roads with separated halves (like highways).
OK. So there are two things here:
- You want to pick up the route somewhere halfway. That's easy. Simply select the route through the 'where to' button, but then before you tap 'Start Navigation' tap the 'Join route at' option just above it. There you can select where/how you want to join the route. For example, you can select there "I'll find my own way". That will let you find your way to the route by yourself, and once you reach it, navigation will start from the 'join' point towards the destination (in the direction you originally designed the route).
- But, If, I understand correct, you now want to follow the route in reverse direction. In that case, you need to reverse the route first: Go to the routes screen, select the route, and choose 'Edit Points'. You'll end up in the 'power planner'. At the bottom, there's a 'reverse' button.
Why is this so complicated you might think? Well... reversing a route is not as easy as simply visits the points in reverse order. Think about one way streets, roads with separated halves (like highways).
Quote from PeteRT on 06.12.2021, 10:50Bohemio I think you are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Just plan two separate routes one out the other back. This way you know exactly where you are going. Even if the route to a destination is the same as the way back, I always plan using two separate routes. Often these are slightly different because of junction layouts or one way roads etc. I also use the minimum number a waypoints, which makes it easier to see the route.
When using the reverse option do check the waypoints very carefully especially on multi lane roads ( motorways, autoroutes etc) because the software will not automatically move the waypoint to the correct side of the road. Always zoom into the map and place waypoints accurately on the road. This is the major cause of weird loops. Hopes this helps.
Bohemio I think you are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Just plan two separate routes one out the other back. This way you know exactly where you are going. Even if the route to a destination is the same as the way back, I always plan using two separate routes. Often these are slightly different because of junction layouts or one way roads etc. I also use the minimum number a waypoints, which makes it easier to see the route.
When using the reverse option do check the waypoints very carefully especially on multi lane roads ( motorways, autoroutes etc) because the software will not automatically move the waypoint to the correct side of the road. Always zoom into the map and place waypoints accurately on the road. This is the major cause of weird loops. Hopes this helps.
Quote from Joerg400 on 06.12.2021, 11:40Quote from PeteRT on 06.12.2021, 10:50Bohemio I think you are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Just plan two separate routes one out the other back. This way you know exactly where you are going. Even if the route to a destination is the same as the way back, I always plan using two separate routes. Often these are slightly different because of junction layouts or one way roads etc. I also use the minimum number a waypoints, which makes it easier to see the route.
When using the reverse option do check the waypoints very carefully especially on multi lane roads ( motorways, autoroutes etc) because the software will not automatically move the waypoint to the correct side of the road. Always zoom into the map and place waypoints accurately on the road. This is the major cause of weird loops. Hopes this helps.
I also think that creating routes like this description it's the best solution.
(And do not set stops near or in crossings / deflections. This is exacter for the routing engine.)
Quote from PeteRT on 06.12.2021, 10:50Bohemio I think you are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Just plan two separate routes one out the other back. This way you know exactly where you are going. Even if the route to a destination is the same as the way back, I always plan using two separate routes. Often these are slightly different because of junction layouts or one way roads etc. I also use the minimum number a waypoints, which makes it easier to see the route.
When using the reverse option do check the waypoints very carefully especially on multi lane roads ( motorways, autoroutes etc) because the software will not automatically move the waypoint to the correct side of the road. Always zoom into the map and place waypoints accurately on the road. This is the major cause of weird loops. Hopes this helps.
I also think that creating routes like this description it's the best solution.
(And do not set stops near or in crossings / deflections. This is exacter for the routing engine.)
Quote from bohemio on 06.12.2021, 11:50
So here I am at what is the end of the route, I would like to join the route from here in reverse order, but as you can see on the inage, the save and reverse options are grayed out, not sure how to start this route and navigate from here?
So here I am at what is the end of the route, I would like to join the route from here in reverse order, but as you can see on the inage, the save and reverse options are grayed out, not sure how to start this route and navigate from here?
Quote from Guido on 06.12.2021, 11:52In order to reverse a route you need to have at least two points / two markers.
In order to reverse a route you need to have at least two points / two markers.
Quote from PeteRT on 06.12.2021, 12:36I see a start flag but no end flag. You have to define both a start point and an end point to create a route. Then this can be reversed. As Guido says you need two points.
I see a start flag but no end flag. You have to define both a start point and an end point to create a route. Then this can be reversed. As Guido says you need two points.
Quote from Guido on 06.12.2021, 13:07OK. I think there's a misunderstanding. I think you are trying to create a route from scratch here, while actually you are trying to reverse an existing route, correct? If you want to reverse an existing route, you need to go to your route list, select that route from then list and then either: (1) choose the 'edit points' button or (2) if you also want to keep the original route, choose the 'duplicate' button and then the 'edit points' button.
OK. I think there's a misunderstanding. I think you are trying to create a route from scratch here, while actually you are trying to reverse an existing route, correct? If you want to reverse an existing route, you need to go to your route list, select that route from then list and then either: (1) choose the 'edit points' button or (2) if you also want to keep the original route, choose the 'duplicate' button and then the 'edit points' button.
Quote from bohemio on 06.12.2021, 17:32Quote from PeteRT on 06.12.2021, 10:50Bohemio I think you are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Just plan two separate routes one out the other back. This way you know exactly where you are going. Even if the route to a destination is the same as the way back, I always plan using two separate routes. Often these are slightly different because of junction layouts or one way roads etc. I also use the minimum number a waypoints, which makes it easier to see the route.
When using the reverse option do check the waypoints very carefully especially on multi lane roads ( motorways, autoroutes etc) because the software will not automatically move the waypoint to the correct side of the road. Always zoom into the map and place waypoints accurately on the road. This is the major cause of weird loops. Hopes this helps.
I think you are correct; the fact that I made one single route that included my way to the forest and my return home, all in one scoup, that made it hard for me to force Scenic to reverse it.
This was my first time designing a route using these tools, next time I will take a different approach. Today I learned a big lesson, even if it is a one-day short route, divide the route into parts, different legs and make each leg its own individual route.
This way, if I need to back track, I can go back to that individual leg and reverse it or edit in any way.
Unfortunately, I was not familiar enough with Scenic to make it do what I needed today, so I navigated myself back home without any GPS, fortunately I know the area enough that I didn't really need a GPS.
Quote from PeteRT on 06.12.2021, 10:50Bohemio I think you are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Just plan two separate routes one out the other back. This way you know exactly where you are going. Even if the route to a destination is the same as the way back, I always plan using two separate routes. Often these are slightly different because of junction layouts or one way roads etc. I also use the minimum number a waypoints, which makes it easier to see the route.
When using the reverse option do check the waypoints very carefully especially on multi lane roads ( motorways, autoroutes etc) because the software will not automatically move the waypoint to the correct side of the road. Always zoom into the map and place waypoints accurately on the road. This is the major cause of weird loops. Hopes this helps.
I think you are correct; the fact that I made one single route that included my way to the forest and my return home, all in one scoup, that made it hard for me to force Scenic to reverse it.
This was my first time designing a route using these tools, next time I will take a different approach. Today I learned a big lesson, even if it is a one-day short route, divide the route into parts, different legs and make each leg its own individual route.
This way, if I need to back track, I can go back to that individual leg and reverse it or edit in any way.
Unfortunately, I was not familiar enough with Scenic to make it do what I needed today, so I navigated myself back home without any GPS, fortunately I know the area enough that I didn't really need a GPS.
Quote from bohemio on 06.12.2021, 17:41Quote from Guido on 06.12.2021, 13:07OK. I think there's a misunderstanding. I think you are trying to create a route from scratch here, while actually you are trying to reverse an existing route, correct? If you want to reverse an existing route, you need to go to your route list, select that route from then list and then either: (1) choose the 'edit points' button or (2) if you also want to keep the original route, choose the 'duplicate' button and then the 'edit points' button.
I wasn't trying to create a new route, not even edit the current route in any way, I thought I could just select a route and tell the program to reverse the starting point and end point.
From what I gather now, in order for the reverse option to even become available once have to select the route and enter the edit mode, mess with the via points so that the reverse option becomes available. I tried my best but, in the end, I couldn't get it to do what I wanted. It would either continue to navigate the route the way it was designed, or it just rerouted me to take the interstate back home.
Am just not familiar enough with the interface and the way those via points work. I was just throwing punches in the dark.
Eventually I got tired and overheated from standing on the side of the road messing with the app, so I just shut off the phone and kept riding.
Definitely got to put some more time into this to get better at it.
For now, I will divide routes into simple legs and make each leg its own route. I think that will make wonders.
Thanks for the help and support.
Quote from Guido on 06.12.2021, 13:07OK. I think there's a misunderstanding. I think you are trying to create a route from scratch here, while actually you are trying to reverse an existing route, correct? If you want to reverse an existing route, you need to go to your route list, select that route from then list and then either: (1) choose the 'edit points' button or (2) if you also want to keep the original route, choose the 'duplicate' button and then the 'edit points' button.
I wasn't trying to create a new route, not even edit the current route in any way, I thought I could just select a route and tell the program to reverse the starting point and end point.
From what I gather now, in order for the reverse option to even become available once have to select the route and enter the edit mode, mess with the via points so that the reverse option becomes available. I tried my best but, in the end, I couldn't get it to do what I wanted. It would either continue to navigate the route the way it was designed, or it just rerouted me to take the interstate back home.
Am just not familiar enough with the interface and the way those via points work. I was just throwing punches in the dark.
Eventually I got tired and overheated from standing on the side of the road messing with the app, so I just shut off the phone and kept riding.
Definitely got to put some more time into this to get better at it.
For now, I will divide routes into simple legs and make each leg its own route. I think that will make wonders.
Thanks for the help and support.
Quote from Guido on 06.12.2021, 18:12In some aspects Scenic indeed has a steep learning curve I have to admit. For what it’s worth, I do not recommend splitting up the route in several smaller routes. One route per day should be fine (if you have a good general idea what you want to ride in that day of course).
So, the way I personally approach this when I have a day trip in mind (it it’s a multi day trip I make one route per day):
I create the route in the power planner:
- I drop the start flag
- I drop the end flag
- I drop stops in places where I want to stop along the way (a restaurant, a certain village I want to see, a viewpoint I want to stop, etc)
- Then I take a look at the roads that Scenic is suggesting (I might switch to satelite view, zoom in somewhat to see the curves, etc). If I know the area I drop some via points to force it to take the roads I want. If I don’t know the area I might try the curvy routing mode.
Then I save the route, giving it a recognizable name.
Then when the day comes to ride that route, I select it for navigation.
During navigation you can change the route on the fly by double tapping the map. This brings you to ‘edit mode’ where you can tap on vias/stops to delete them, tap on the map or do a text search to add aadditional vias/stops etc. This edit mode is not as powerful as the power planner. It’s meant for doing some quick adjustments to the route like looking for nearby gas stations and adding one as a stop, or removing that stop at the village because you’re running out of daylight. Those kind of ‘smaller’ adjustments.
Reversing a route is not a quick adjustment so this is not possible ‘on the fly’. If there is a chance you’d want to take the same route back, Id either make a round trip, or make two routes indeed, it beforehand. Not by the side of the road indeed.
Hope this brings a bit more clarity. 🙂
In some aspects Scenic indeed has a steep learning curve I have to admit. For what it’s worth, I do not recommend splitting up the route in several smaller routes. One route per day should be fine (if you have a good general idea what you want to ride in that day of course).
So, the way I personally approach this when I have a day trip in mind (it it’s a multi day trip I make one route per day):
I create the route in the power planner:
- I drop the start flag
- I drop the end flag
- I drop stops in places where I want to stop along the way (a restaurant, a certain village I want to see, a viewpoint I want to stop, etc)
- Then I take a look at the roads that Scenic is suggesting (I might switch to satelite view, zoom in somewhat to see the curves, etc). If I know the area I drop some via points to force it to take the roads I want. If I don’t know the area I might try the curvy routing mode.
Then I save the route, giving it a recognizable name.
Then when the day comes to ride that route, I select it for navigation.
During navigation you can change the route on the fly by double tapping the map. This brings you to ‘edit mode’ where you can tap on vias/stops to delete them, tap on the map or do a text search to add aadditional vias/stops etc. This edit mode is not as powerful as the power planner. It’s meant for doing some quick adjustments to the route like looking for nearby gas stations and adding one as a stop, or removing that stop at the village because you’re running out of daylight. Those kind of ‘smaller’ adjustments.
Reversing a route is not a quick adjustment so this is not possible ‘on the fly’. If there is a chance you’d want to take the same route back, Id either make a round trip, or make two routes indeed, it beforehand. Not by the side of the road indeed.
Hope this brings a bit more clarity. 🙂
Quote from bohemio on 06.12.2021, 18:27Quote from Guido on 06.12.2021, 18:12In some aspects Scenic indeed has a steep learning curve I have to admit. For what it’s worth, I do not recommend splitting up the route in several smaller routes. One route per day should be fine (if you have a good general idea what you want to ride in that day of course).
So, the way I personally approach this when I have a day trip in mind (it it’s a multi day trip I make one route per day):
I create the route in the power planner:
- I drop the start flag
- I drop the end flag
- I drop stops in places where I want to stop along the way (a restaurant, a certain village I want to see, a viewpoint I want to stop, etc)
- Then I take a look at the roads that Scenic is suggesting (I might switch to satelite view, zoom in somewhat to see the curves, etc). If I know the area I drop some via points to force it to take the roads I want. If I don’t know the area I might try the curvy routing mode.
Then I save the route, giving it a recognizable name.
Then when the day comes to ride that route, I select it for navigation.
During navigation you can change the route on the fly by double tapping the map. This brings you to ‘edit mode’ where you can tap on vias/stops to delete them, tap on the map or do a text search to add aadditional vias/stops etc. This edit mode is not as powerful as the power planner. It’s meant for doing some quick adjustments to the route like looking for nearby gas stations and adding one as a stop, or removing that stop at the village because you’re running out of daylight. Those kind of ‘smaller’ adjustments.
Reversing a route is not a quick adjustment so this is not possible ‘on the fly’. If there is a chance you’d want to take the same route back, Id either make a round trip, or make two routes indeed, it beforehand. Not by the side of the road indeed.
Hope this brings a bit more clarity.
Thank you, that does gives me more encouragement to keep trying, and hopefully soon start to report sucess stories. I appreciate the support.
Quote from Guido on 06.12.2021, 18:12In some aspects Scenic indeed has a steep learning curve I have to admit. For what it’s worth, I do not recommend splitting up the route in several smaller routes. One route per day should be fine (if you have a good general idea what you want to ride in that day of course).
So, the way I personally approach this when I have a day trip in mind (it it’s a multi day trip I make one route per day):
I create the route in the power planner:
- I drop the start flag
- I drop the end flag
- I drop stops in places where I want to stop along the way (a restaurant, a certain village I want to see, a viewpoint I want to stop, etc)
- Then I take a look at the roads that Scenic is suggesting (I might switch to satelite view, zoom in somewhat to see the curves, etc). If I know the area I drop some via points to force it to take the roads I want. If I don’t know the area I might try the curvy routing mode.
Then I save the route, giving it a recognizable name.
Then when the day comes to ride that route, I select it for navigation.
During navigation you can change the route on the fly by double tapping the map. This brings you to ‘edit mode’ where you can tap on vias/stops to delete them, tap on the map or do a text search to add aadditional vias/stops etc. This edit mode is not as powerful as the power planner. It’s meant for doing some quick adjustments to the route like looking for nearby gas stations and adding one as a stop, or removing that stop at the village because you’re running out of daylight. Those kind of ‘smaller’ adjustments.
Reversing a route is not a quick adjustment so this is not possible ‘on the fly’. If there is a chance you’d want to take the same route back, Id either make a round trip, or make two routes indeed, it beforehand. Not by the side of the road indeed.
Hope this brings a bit more clarity.
Thank you, that does gives me more encouragement to keep trying, and hopefully soon start to report sucess stories. I appreciate the support.
Quote from Joerg400 on 06.12.2021, 18:28Quote from Guido on 06.12.2021, 18:12In some aspects Scenic indeed has a steep learning curve I have to admit.
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Hope this brings a bit more clarity.This description I saved in a textfile of my iPhone.
Thank you.
Quote from Guido on 06.12.2021, 18:12In some aspects Scenic indeed has a steep learning curve I have to admit.
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Hope this brings a bit more clarity.
This description I saved in a textfile of my iPhone.
Thank you.
Quote from Joerg400 on 06.12.2021, 18:47Quote from bohemio on 06.12.2021, 17:32...
Unfortunately, I was not familiar enough with Scenic to make it do what I needed today, so I navigated myself back home without any GPS, fortunately I know the area enough that I didn't really need a GPS.
Hi behamio,
next time you want ride to a certain location, in this case "home", choose "where to", and than locations, and than your own address. Navigate-mode "curvy" or "extra curvy" or ... and you find home (or the wished location) even you don't the area.
This was the first and most important function for me starting using Scenic because when you are sure in using this function you can ride everywhere, even unknown areas whithout any risk. And I started several times in known areas and not till then in unknown aereas 🙂Have you already saved your homeaddress in the locations>home? Than you can ride home with 2 ore 3 cklicks ...
(And consider that there are sometimes small differences inside "vias" and "stops")
Quote from bohemio on 06.12.2021, 17:32...
Unfortunately, I was not familiar enough with Scenic to make it do what I needed today, so I navigated myself back home without any GPS, fortunately I know the area enough that I didn't really need a GPS.
Hi behamio,
next time you want ride to a certain location, in this case "home", choose "where to", and than locations, and than your own address. Navigate-mode "curvy" or "extra curvy" or ... and you find home (or the wished location) even you don't the area.
This was the first and most important function for me starting using Scenic because when you are sure in using this function you can ride everywhere, even unknown areas whithout any risk. And I started several times in known areas and not till then in unknown aereas 🙂
Have you already saved your homeaddress in the locations>home? Than you can ride home with 2 ore 3 cklicks ...
(And consider that there are sometimes small differences inside "vias" and "stops")
Quote from PeteRT on 07.12.2021, 02:51Agree save your home address or a location nearby for security reasons. Guido has given a great description of how to plan a whole day trip using via's and stop's and is the correct way to do it. However from what I have read I think until you get more experience with the app you are going to struggle. Personally I would start slowly. Plan at home (not side of road) a simple route to somewhere. Save the route and ride it. During planning checkout the route options, Fast, Curvy etc and see how it changes the route. Play with waypoints. Move them delete them. Save the file and then select it and try editing it. This will get you familiar with the process. Then with a route see what reverse does. Save that. You now have two routes one out one back. When you understand how to do that then you can start to plan a day tour like Guido does using stops. Try what Joerg400 posted what I call point and go. From the home screen, at the bottom 'Where to?' select a destination. Notice the route option 'Fast, curvy etc' under the destination. Tap to change. Then just tap 'Start Navigation'. Notice no planning required. Very easy way to get home if all else fails.
Agree save your home address or a location nearby for security reasons. Guido has given a great description of how to plan a whole day trip using via's and stop's and is the correct way to do it. However from what I have read I think until you get more experience with the app you are going to struggle. Personally I would start slowly. Plan at home (not side of road) a simple route to somewhere. Save the route and ride it. During planning checkout the route options, Fast, Curvy etc and see how it changes the route. Play with waypoints. Move them delete them. Save the file and then select it and try editing it. This will get you familiar with the process. Then with a route see what reverse does. Save that. You now have two routes one out one back. When you understand how to do that then you can start to plan a day tour like Guido does using stops. Try what Joerg400 posted what I call point and go. From the home screen, at the bottom 'Where to?' select a destination. Notice the route option 'Fast, curvy etc' under the destination. Tap to change. Then just tap 'Start Navigation'. Notice no planning required. Very easy way to get home if all else fails.
