Shortcuts while riding on planned roads
Quote from Binwaa on 13.03.2025, 22:26As I am planning every route on forehand, I am using the ‘short’-route type. It forces me to put extra via points, but at least I have everything under control on forehand.
But while riding, it looks like Scenic discovered that there is a shorter route than planned, sends me on some dangerous off-road, to rejoin the original road 200 meters further, probably because the road is 1 meter shorter than the planned road.
First of all, what does short means : short in time or short in distance.
Second, how much difference in distance (or time) should there be to change the planned road : something like ‘if I find a shorter route than planned of at least 500 meters shorter, propose. Otherwise ignore’.
Third, why didn’t Scenic show this detour while planning ? In one month (between planning and riding), there are not so many new off-road roads being build.
Fourth, there should be levels of off-road, so you can choose the difficulty level. As inspiration :- Level 1 : light gravel
- Level 2 : potholes, small rocks and undeep sand
- Level 3 : big rocks, washed out roads, river crossing (max 20cm), up to 30% inclines, single track
- Level 4 : steep gliding rocks, deep sand
- Level 5 : on your own, or turn around.
As I am planning every route on forehand, I am using the ‘short’-route type. It forces me to put extra via points, but at least I have everything under control on forehand.
But while riding, it looks like Scenic discovered that there is a shorter route than planned, sends me on some dangerous off-road, to rejoin the original road 200 meters further, probably because the road is 1 meter shorter than the planned road.
First of all, what does short means : short in time or short in distance.
Second, how much difference in distance (or time) should there be to change the planned road : something like ‘if I find a shorter route than planned of at least 500 meters shorter, propose. Otherwise ignore’.
Third, why didn’t Scenic show this detour while planning ? In one month (between planning and riding), there are not so many new off-road roads being build.
Fourth, there should be levels of off-road, so you can choose the difficulty level. As inspiration :
- Level 1 : light gravel
- Level 2 : potholes, small rocks and undeep sand
- Level 3 : big rocks, washed out roads, river crossing (max 20cm), up to 30% inclines, single track
- Level 4 : steep gliding rocks, deep sand
- Level 5 : on your own, or turn around.
Quote from HighPeakRider on 14.03.2025, 04:08I’m not sure where you expect that data to come from, I don’t know any mapping application that provides that.
The request seems totally unrealistic.
I’m not sure where you expect that data to come from, I don’t know any mapping application that provides that.
The request seems totally unrealistic.
Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 06:40But while riding, it looks like Scenic discovered that there is a shorter route than planned
Did you hear the route recalculation sound / was a waypoint auto-skipped? (referring to your other forum topic)
what does short means : short in time or short in distance
distance
how much difference in distance (or time) should there be to change the planned road
A route recalculation only takes place after you deviate from your route. The route recalculation is done with the same routing mode as the original route (short in your case).
why didn’t Scenic show this detour while planning
I don’t know. Was this detour in there when you started navigating the route, or did it appear later after a recalculation?
there should be levels of off-road
That’s a difficult one. Some of this data is available in the maps (not to this level of detail though), but more importantly, the routing algorithm configuration options are limited and do not have these detailed option at this moment. This is out of my control.
But while riding, it looks like Scenic discovered that there is a shorter route than planned
Did you hear the route recalculation sound / was a waypoint auto-skipped? (referring to your other forum topic)
what does short means : short in time or short in distance
distance
how much difference in distance (or time) should there be to change the planned road
A route recalculation only takes place after you deviate from your route. The route recalculation is done with the same routing mode as the original route (short in your case).
why didn’t Scenic show this detour while planning
I don’t know. Was this detour in there when you started navigating the route, or did it appear later after a recalculation?
there should be levels of off-road
That’s a difficult one. Some of this data is available in the maps (not to this level of detail though), but more importantly, the routing algorithm configuration options are limited and do not have these detailed option at this moment. This is out of my control.
Quote from Binwaa on 14.03.2025, 07:59Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 06:40But while riding, it looks like Scenic discovered that there is a shorter route than planned
Did you hear the route recalculation sound / was a waypoint auto-skipped? (referring to your other forum topic)
i don’t remember
what does short means : short in time or short in distance
distance
how much difference in distance (or time) should there be to change the planned road
A route recalculation only takes place after you deviate from your route. The route recalculation is done with the same routing mode as the original route (short in your case).
how much deviation is required before a route recalculation is done ? I don’t remember I deviated from the planned route. I looks to me to be too sensible
why didn’t Scenic show this detour while planning
I don’t know. Was this detour in there when you started navigating the route, or did it appear later after a recalculation?
Later after recalculation
there should be levels of off-road
That’s a difficult one. Some of this data is available in the maps (not to this level of detail though), but more importantly, the routing algorithm configuration options are limited and do not have these detailed option at this moment. This is out of my control.
Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 06:40But while riding, it looks like Scenic discovered that there is a shorter route than planned
Did you hear the route recalculation sound / was a waypoint auto-skipped? (referring to your other forum topic)
i don’t remember
what does short means : short in time or short in distance
distance
how much difference in distance (or time) should there be to change the planned road
A route recalculation only takes place after you deviate from your route. The route recalculation is done with the same routing mode as the original route (short in your case).
how much deviation is required before a route recalculation is done ? I don’t remember I deviated from the planned route. I looks to me to be too sensible
why didn’t Scenic show this detour while planning
I don’t know. Was this detour in there when you started navigating the route, or did it appear later after a recalculation?
Later after recalculation
there should be levels of off-road
That’s a difficult one. Some of this data is available in the maps (not to this level of detail though), but more importantly, the routing algorithm configuration options are limited and do not have these detailed option at this moment. This is out of my control.
Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 09:14how much deviation is required before a route recalculation is done ? I don’t remember I deviated from the planned route.
It's 50 meters. Can you try switching off the "Extrapolate position" setting (Settings > Finetuning)? This can cause recalculations, especially in tight winding roads.
how much deviation is required before a route recalculation is done ? I don’t remember I deviated from the planned route.
It's 50 meters. Can you try switching off the "Extrapolate position" setting (Settings > Finetuning)? This can cause recalculations, especially in tight winding roads.
Quote from Binwaa on 14.03.2025, 23:44Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 09:14how much deviation is required before a route recalculation is done ? I don’t remember I deviated from the planned route.
It's 50 meters. Can you try switching off the "Extrapolate position" setting (Settings > Finetuning)? This can cause recalculations, especially in tight winding roads.
50 meters is not much. In Thailand, a lot of bridges are being rebuild and require to use a temporary ride around. Idem with roads being enlarged or straightened, which requires you to deviate probably more than 50 meters.
i think recalculation shouldn’t start under 200 meters. Or perhaps as option in fine tuning.
Quote from Guido on 14.03.2025, 09:14how much deviation is required before a route recalculation is done ? I don’t remember I deviated from the planned route.
It's 50 meters. Can you try switching off the "Extrapolate position" setting (Settings > Finetuning)? This can cause recalculations, especially in tight winding roads.
50 meters is not much. In Thailand, a lot of bridges are being rebuild and require to use a temporary ride around. Idem with roads being enlarged or straightened, which requires you to deviate probably more than 50 meters.
i think recalculation shouldn’t start under 200 meters. Or perhaps as option in fine tuning.
Quote from Guido on 15.03.2025, 06:45Increasing this distance is not the answer. With 200 meters, in an urban environment, you can be 3 blocks away from the route before Scenic realizes you took a wrong turn and give you a new route. That’s unacceptable.
In the situation you are describing in Thailand, I’d recommend turning off auto-skip via points, (or at least increase the number of recalculations to auto-skip). I live in Mexico and we have situations like this as well. I have auto-skip turned off.
Increasing this distance is not the answer. With 200 meters, in an urban environment, you can be 3 blocks away from the route before Scenic realizes you took a wrong turn and give you a new route. That’s unacceptable.
In the situation you are describing in Thailand, I’d recommend turning off auto-skip via points, (or at least increase the number of recalculations to auto-skip). I live in Mexico and we have situations like this as well. I have auto-skip turned off.
Quote from Binwaa on 15.03.2025, 06:48Quote from Guido on 15.03.2025, 06:45Increasing this distance is not the answer. With 200 meters, in an urban environment, you can be 3 blocks away from the route before Scenic realizes you took a wrong turn and give you a new route. That’s unacceptable.
In the situation you are describing in Thailand, I’d recommend turning off auto-skip via points, (or at least increase the number of recalculations to auto-skip). I live in Mexico and we have situations like this as well. I have auto-skip turned off.
Excellent advise. Thanks. I will surely try on next trip.
Quote from Guido on 15.03.2025, 06:45Increasing this distance is not the answer. With 200 meters, in an urban environment, you can be 3 blocks away from the route before Scenic realizes you took a wrong turn and give you a new route. That’s unacceptable.
In the situation you are describing in Thailand, I’d recommend turning off auto-skip via points, (or at least increase the number of recalculations to auto-skip). I live in Mexico and we have situations like this as well. I have auto-skip turned off.
Excellent advise. Thanks. I will surely try on next trip.
