I need a WEB version!

Quote from Guido on 01.09.2022, 10:59

Web version is on the roadmap. Not giving out dates. Sorry.
Meanwhile, Scenic integrates with 3 great online web planners.
Furkot.com (very powerful, but can be a bit overwhelming)
Kurviger.de (for your curvy routes)
Google Maps (simple route planning)

Scenic can also import GPX files from basically any planner that allows exporting of GPX files.

More info here: https://scenic.app/help/ways-sources-to-import/

 

Hope this helps/explains. If not or if you have other questions please let me know. Happy to help.

Best regards and ride safe,
Guido

Quote from thedocdm on 21.11.2022, 15:33

I also would love to have a web version. Glad to see it's on the roadmap. Thank you! Love the app!

Quote from 2BTSquared on 21.11.2022, 21:19

Don't know why you'd need anything other than Furkot. I haven't found a better/more capable trip/route planner yet. The integration with Scenic is excellent.

Quote from 2BTSquared on 23.11.2022, 08:52

Expanding on this further...

When I first came across Scenic, I thought there was at least one fatal flaw - right out of the gate - in that it didn't have a corresponding web based route planner. It didn't have a complete "ecosystem" where the component parts perfectly work together (perhaps being impossible anyway). However, after playing around with Scenic and thinking about it, this seems like a pretty smart approach. Why waste time reinventing the wheel so-to-speak when there are already excellent trip/route planning solutions out there? Unless you think you have a new/better idea for a solution, or think existing ones can be improved on in a significant/meaningful way, why bother? Wouldn't it be better to focus limited time/resources on making one's navigation app the best it can be? Better perhaps to reach out and collaborate with the developers of excellent preexisting trip/route planners and establish/develop seamless interoperability/integration with your navigation app.  I'm already a Furkot user/fan. Furkot may be the best of the best at what it does. If there are better solutions, I'm unaware. As to Scenic, I've been impressed with how well it integrates/works with Furkot. The combination of the two make for a pretty impressive package/solution (perhaps the best that I've seen). At least that's my impression so far (testing/trying out Scenic is still a work in progress).

If Furkot is not your bag, then there are other options as mentioned above - Kurviger.de, Google Maps, My Maps etc. But gain, this approach - developing interoperability/integrating with existing/excellent trip/route planning solutions - just seems like a smart way to go to me.

Anyway... my 2 cents.

Quote from Guido on 23.11.2022, 09:05

Indeed this is what I had in mind when starting Scenic. And it's worked well so far. To be honest the requests for a webapp have not been many.

Having said that, I do see the added value of a WebApp. It's just nice to be able to see your routes, rides, vehicles, etc. from the comfort of a big screen.

Additionally, importing from other sources (like Furkot) is not always perfect as these sources can use different maps and routing algorithms. Scenic gets around this by adding via points to force the routing to take the roads the source intended. This works well, but sometimes does take a few minutes to check the route and correct any routing discrepancies during import.

With this in mind, I'm planning to phase the WebApp expansion. Expanding it bit by bit, feature by feature. Currently the webapp is limited to importing files (GPX, GDB, ITN, KML) and Google Maps URLs. So, here's a question:
What would your order of implementation be?
- Route Planning
- Seeing your rides
- Seeing your routes
- Seeing/editing your vehicles
- Seeing /editing your account data
- Anything else you'd like to see?

Cheers,
Guido

Quote from mattsz on 23.11.2022, 09:11

Quote from 2BTSquared on 21.11.2022, 21:19

Don't know why you'd need anything other than Furkot. I haven't found a better/more capable trip/route planner yet. The integration with Scenic is excellent.

It's a worthwhile discussion.

I've tried Furkot, and don't like it at all.  In my rural area, many roads aren't displayed until I zoom in so close that I can't see "the big picture." A very troublesome way to plan...

Quote from 2BTSquared on 23.11.2022, 10:09

Quote from Guido on 23.11.2022, 09:05

Additionally, importing from other sources (like Furkot) is not always perfect as these sources can use different maps and routing algorithms. Scenic gets around this by adding via points to force the routing to take the roads the source intended. This works well, but sometimes does take a few minutes to check the route and correct any routing discrepancies during import.

True. It's not perfect. From what I can tell, all solutions have this problem. Since I primarily swim in the Android ecosystem I've played around with other solutions like - for example - MyRoute-app. The MyRoute Navigation app is HERE maps based. MyRoute Routeplanner has multiple options - HERE, OSM, and TomTom (plus overlays from Google and Michelin). Ideally you'd plan in Routeplanner on the map data used by the navigation app/device you're importing your route/trip to. For MyRoute Navigation that would be HERE of course. Theoretically that should eliminate or at least minimize discrepancies. But in reality, there are often discrepancies between the way Routeplanner routes you during the planning stage and what you find in the route produced by the Navigation app. It's just the nature of the beast. I haven't seen a solution yet that didn't require the step of reviewing the final product on the navigation app. What I've seen so far, however, is that Scenic's approach in this regard is impressive (probably the best I've come across).

With this in mind, I'm planning to phase the WebApp expansion. Expanding it bit by bit, feature by feature. Currently the webapp is limited to importing files (GPX, GDB, ITN, KML) and Google Maps URLs. So, here's a question:
What would your order of implementation be?
- Route Planning
- Seeing your rides
- Seeing your routes
- Seeing/editing your vehicles
- Seeing /editing your account data
- Anything else you'd like to see?

Cheers,
Guido

My choices would be biased towards my own interest of course. My first priority would be getting an Android solution out there. Second would be continuing to improve the navigation app. After that, then maybe giving the webapp a little love. Going back to my perspective gained with playing around with MyRoute-app... I find that MyRoute Routeplanner pales in comparison to Furkot. However, in terms of learning curve, Routeplanner may be much easier for some to pick up and use. For simple/quick route planning, Routeplanner is pretty decent and there is value in having a simple to use/easy tool.

For those swimming only in the Android ecosystem, Routeplanner provides for a decent tool to review/correct route discrepancies from Furkot (or whatever external route planner that was used) before opening the route in the Navigation app. However, it doesn't preclude the necessary step of reviewing the route again in the Navigation app (making the value of the intermediate step debatable). For iOS users, it isn't debatable. Scenic handles this so well in the app I don't think you need this intermediate step.

If the goal is to make a superior/more capable solution than Furkot, then that seems like a tall order.

As to being able to see one's rides(tracks)/routes on the web app... First question... Does the external trip/route planning app used already facilitate that? If so, what's the value? Perhaps it doesn't, and if so, then it would be handy. I for one, don't do much with/have very little interest in tracks. For routes, I don't need to view the route on a PC in another app besides the route planner that I created it in (in my case, likely Furkot).

All the things you've listed will have value to somebody. To me though, I'm pretty happy with what you have. Again, if time/resources are limited, I might (noting my bias) focus on the priorities I mentioned above.

My 2 cents.

Quote from iSilentP on 23.11.2022, 10:32

Quote from Guido on 23.11.2022, 09:05

What would your order of implementation be?
- Route Planning
- Seeing your rides
- Seeing your routes
- Seeing/editing your vehicles
- Seeing /editing your account data
- Anything else you'd like to see?

The ordinality above nails it for me. The first three are great enhancements. Anything else is icing on the cake.

Thanks for all you do, Guido. Love the app!

 

Quote from thedocdm on 23.11.2022, 12:23

Quote from Guido on 23.11.2022, 09:05

What would your order of implementation be?
- Route Planning
- Seeing your rides
- Seeing your routes
- Seeing/editing your vehicles
- Seeing /editing your account data
- Anything else you'd like to see?

Cheers,
Guido

Really the only thing I want the webapp to do is route planning. The app is really fantastic for this, but it's still easier on a big screen with a mouse!

In the meantime, I'll give the supported webapps another try. I did not care for them the first go-round.

One last suggestion, is perhaps people could vote with their money? Put a donation widget up (additional voluntary donation) with some features to choose from that people might wish to sponsor. The widget could include the tally in votes and/or currency.

Thank you!!

Quote from Guido on 23.11.2022, 13:46

OK. Thanks for your suggestions everyone. I'll keep it in mind once I start the webapp expansion.

Regarding the voting... to be honest, not a big fan of prioritizing surveys. It creates expectations, while user preference is just one part of the equation. Other things, like the amount of effort, value for new user attraction, technical limitations, and the 'big picture plan' play a role in this as well. I'd rather ask involved users like you guys, who pro-actively contacted me about this. Hope you understand.

Quote from PeteRT on 24.11.2022, 03:59

Personally I would be happy with a planner only functionality, the same as the app, with a way to send the route to your account. I see the bigger screen as an easier route planner. I don't think it needs to be anymore complicated than that. Of cause you could create a web app with login so a user can see what is saved on the server, ie your phone but is that really necessary. You then start to create a complete web version of the phone app. That I'm sure is a lot of work which could be better spent making the app better.

The advantage of a web planner dedicated to Scenic is that the map and routing algorithms would be the same as the phone app. So a route planned on the web would transfer to phone accurately. I have always found using third party planners routes have to be checked carefully for unexpected changes when transferred to the phone.

Another advantage is if the web planner is basically a version of the app planner then there is no new software to learn. Some third party planners are just too complicated. IMHO keep it simple to start with and expand functionality over time.

Quote from hjs rides on 24.11.2022, 14:45

FWIW, I use RouteYou to plan routes.  Scenic integrates really neatly with that too and can import routes directly.

Different tools that each do a few things *well* still have a place in the world!

Quote from wjsarver on 24.11.2022, 17:37

Rever has a pretty easy to use website. https://a.rever.co/rides/new  It allows you to make routes and a few other things. Something like that would be fine for me.

Quote from 2BTSquared on 25.11.2022, 11:42

Expanding on the need for simple to use trip/route planners. From my experience, they all share the same fundamentals in terms of their functionality and use. Once you've picked up how to use one, you generally are well on your way to knowing how to use another. I often see Furkot getting a rap for being complicated or the learning curve. I find that for basic functionality it's not much different than any of the rest. It's pretty easy to use. If you want to leverage it's more advance features, then one might need to dig a little into the documentation. For the basics though, it works basically like any other.

The problem with simple route planners... What happens when you outgrow them and want to do more with them? Might you feel like you've invested in them and be reticent to switch? IDK... Seems like a reason to start off with a solution that will allow for growth in how it's used.

Quote from JAY on 30.01.2023, 00:30

I would like to see a the web app capable to plan my routes on as well. For those of you who are suggesting a third party app that is well and good and at the moment I use google maps but when I am paying for an app I would expect that the app would be able to do route planning on any screen. Scenic is great but would be even better if the web app was complete as well. Hi Guido I think if the web app was able to plan routes and save it to my account so I could then open that route on phone and navigate it that would be excellent . I know easy to want and a lot harder to do. Keep up the good work.

Quote from massi on 30.01.2023, 06:42

If you own an Mx Mac, you can run the Scenic app on  your Mac, if not there are a lot of apps and web apps for planing routes. You can use f.e. kurviger.de or furkot.com for planning a route, these have the possibility to export the planned route directly to Scenic.

Quote from mattsz on 30.01.2023, 08:53

Quote from massi on 30.01.2023, 06:42

If you own an Mx Mac, you can run the Scenic app on  your Mac, if not there are a lot of apps and web apps for planing routes. You can use f.e. kurviger.de or furkot.com for planning a route, these have the possibility to export the planned route directly to Scenic.

The alternatives you mentioned are discussed above.  But I was wondering if anyone was going to mention running the Scenic app on a Mac.  I don't have a recent Mac, so I can't do it, but I am curious to know: does running the app on the Mac offer any screen size advantages?  Will the display expand to fully utilize the computer's screen, or does it retain the same narrow form factor?  I also wonder about how an iOS app, designed to work with a touch screen, would function using a mouse instead...

Quote from Guido on 30.01.2023, 08:57

The mac version of Scenic is actually the iPad version running in a kind of emulator. You can expand full screen. If you have a touchpad it works pretty much the same except that you have a mouse pointer. Mouse also works, only pinch zooming with mouse is a bit more cumbersome.

Quote from Darktux on 20.02.2023, 04:13

I must say that for me one of the best features of Scenic is the power planner, it is by far the easiest way to design a relativley complex route just using the phone & when travelling that is the only device I carry with me so a web version is a lower priority for me than some other requests.

Thanks for the great work Guido.

KB